All her life she was accompanied by fame: when she was a model, when she became the star of the popular TV series Santa Barbara, and after that — the wife of the scandalous actor Sean Penn … Journalists forgot about her when she left her career for the sake of her family and refused many high-profile roles. But the best comes to those who know how to wait. Having played the role of the first lady of the United States in the series «House of Cards», she again found herself in the spotlight. Meeting with Robin Wright — an actress and director, who only after the divorce began to recognize herself.
It seems that she left her regal slowness and ballet in the frame of «House of Cards». I can almost see her dropping her stilettos as she steps out from under the spotlights… The woman in front of me ruffles her hair under the air conditioner, pulls back the collar of her white T-shirt, adjusts the belt of her jeans — like an ordinary New Yorker walking into a cool cafe with a warmed-up scorching street sun. She set me up with a date in old Brooklyn Heights, and I can see why.
The local inhabitants, the owners of «old white money», will never give a sign that they met a celebrity … Here Robin Wright is not threatened by the consequences of her new fame, which made her 50 years old: she will not have to give autographs, shy away from prying eyes … She can be like that , which she likes: friendly and reserved. Pacified. That in itself raises questions.
ចិត្តវិទ្យា៖ I think about your life and come to the conclusion: you are only outwardly harmonious, unflappable, tolerant in all respects. But in fact you are a revolutionary, a subversive of the foundations. You are taking decisive action. Quitting a job to raise kids is a wild decision for a movie star, especially after hits like The Princess Bride and Forrest Gump. And your divorce after twenty years of marriage! It was like a series of boxing matches — now a hug, then a knockdown, then participants in the corners of the ring. And your union with a colleague 15 years younger … Now you are back in the spotlight — in connection with the struggle for equal pay for women in the film industry and a new profession — directing. How do you manage to combine softness with uncompromisingness?
រ៉ូប៊ីន រ៉ាយ៖ ខ្ញុំមិនដែលគិតថាខ្លួនឯងស្ថិតក្នុងប្រភេទបែបនេះទេ… ថាខ្ញុំជាអ្នកចំបាប់… បាទ អ្នកនិយាយត្រូវអំពីអ្វីមួយ។ ខ្ញុំតែងតែមានការផ្ទុយពីដំណើររឿង។ ទេ… ផ្ទុយទៅវិញ៖ ភាគច្រើននៃជីវិតរបស់ខ្ញុំ ខ្ញុំគ្រាន់តែ… ស៊ីស្មៅ! ខ្ញុំបានធ្វើតាមព្រឹត្តិការណ៍ ពួកគេបានវាយខ្ញុំ។ ខ្ញុំត្រូវតែទប់ទល់។ ខ្ញុំពិតជាមិនចង់លេង Claire Underwood នៅក្នុង House of Cards ទេ! ហើយមិនត្រឹមតែដោយសារតែការរើសអើងប្រឆាំងនឹងទូរទស្សន៍បានប្រាប់ខ្ញុំថា អ្នកបានចំណាយពេលគ្រប់គ្រាន់ក្នុងជីវិតរបស់អ្នកនៅសាន់តា បាបារ៉ា ដើម្បីត្រលប់ទៅអេក្រង់តូចដ៏ច្របូកច្របល់នោះ។ មិនត្រឹមតែ។
And also because she is a typical CEO with all this Machiavellianism of big business: you are inefficient, you are late, you are indecisive — you are fired. I couldn’t even fire my housekeeper. Everything in me yearns for peace and reconciliation. Or self-destruction. But indeed, the circumstances were such that I had to leave my pasture. However, mind you, not for the sake of a race with prizes and hype. And for the sake of plow.
And what does it look like when you «graze»?
R. R.៖ ដោយមានកាលៈទេសៈអំណោយផល ខ្ញុំចូលទៅក្នុងខោទ្រនាប់ពេញមួយថ្ងៃ។
ហើយវាទាំងអស់?
R. R.៖ Everyone thinks I’m serious — I’m joking, but you don’t recognize it. But there is some truth here: I love pajamas, they are the most natural clothes for me. So designer Karen Fowler and I developed our line of pajamas to sell to victims of violence in the Congo, and I became the face of the brand. It was a sincere idea.
កូនស្រីរបស់ខ្ញុំកើតនៅពេលខ្ញុំមានអាយុ 24 ឆ្នាំ។ ឥឡូវនេះខ្ញុំដឹងថាវាលឿនពេក លឿនពេក។ ការអភិវឌ្ឍន៍របស់ខ្ញុំហាក់ដូចជាបានបញ្ឈប់
ការជួយនរណាម្នាក់តាមរយៈអ្វីដែលអ្នកពិតជាស្រលាញ់ គឺជាសកម្មភាពដ៏បរិសុទ្ធ។ ហើយប្រសិនបើគ្មានខោទ្រនាប់ទេនោះ… ឥឡូវនេះខ្ញុំគិតថាការទៅជាមួយលំហូរគឺជាការកាន់កាប់ដ៏សោកសៅ។ ឥឡូវនេះ ខ្ញុំគិតថា៖ ខ្ញុំជាក្មេងជំទង់ឯកោម្នាក់នៅក្នុងសាលា ព្រោះខ្ញុំមិនបានព្យាយាមបង្ហាញខ្លួនឯងតាមមធ្យោបាយណាមួយឡើយ។
តើអ្នកសោកសៅនិងឯកកោទេ? ក្នុងចំណោមយុវវ័យ តើរូបរាងគួរឲ្យតម្លៃដល់កម្រិតណា?
R. R.៖ I suffered from dyslexia, I had difficulty studying, I did not have fighting qualities, I was not eager to be a cheerleader. All this does not contribute to the acceptance of you in hierarchical communities, which is the school. Then I got hooked on the fashion industry — through my mother’s efforts, of course. She was one of the pioneers of selling Mary Kay cosmetics and a communication genius, because the entire strategy of this company is based on sales “from hand to hand”. My mom is a fighter!
ឪពុកម្តាយខ្ញុំបានបែកគ្នាពេលខ្ញុំអាយុពីរឆ្នាំ។ ខ្ញុំចាំបានថា ប៉ាយំប៉ុណ្ណា ពេលម៉ាក់ដាក់ខ្ញុំ និងបងប្រុសខ្ញុំនៅក្នុងឡាន។ ខ្ញុំយំ ពេលឃើញពួកយើងបិទ… បន្ទាប់ពី 13 ឆ្នាំ នៅក្នុងការសន្ទនាជាមួយម្តាយខ្ញុំ ខ្ញុំនឹកឃើញវគ្គនេះ ហើយនាងភ្ញាក់ផ្អើលយ៉ាងខ្លាំង។ នាងមិនចាំទឹកភ្នែកទេ ហើយជាទូទៅចងចាំអ្វីៗគ្រប់យ៉ាងខុសគ្នា៖ ជាការរំដោះខ្លួនចេញពីអតីតកាល។ នាងចាំថាពួកយើងបាននិយាយលាហើយចាកចេញ។ មិនដឹង។ ប្រហែលជាការស្រក់ទឹកភ្នែករបស់ឪពុកខ្ញុំ ប្រហែលជាទឹកភ្នែករបស់ខ្ញុំពិតជា…
I understand a person better when I find his «prototype» in the animal world. And for each role I find a «key» in the form of an animal
ហើយម្តាយរបស់ខ្ញុំគឺសកម្មនិងសម្រេចចិត្តហើយមិនផ្លាស់ប្តូរសម្រាប់ការរារាំងអារម្មណ៍។ នាងពិតជាចិត្តល្អ និងបើកចំហរ តែងតែមាន។ ប៉ុន្តែគាត់មិនបណ្តោយខ្លួនឱ្យយឺតយ៉ាវឡើយ ។ ប៉ុន្តែទោះបីជាប្រាំមួយឆ្នាំក្រោយមក ឪពុកម្តាយរបស់ខ្ញុំបានជួបជុំគ្នាឡើងវិញ ហើយខ្ញុំតែងតែនិយាយជាមួយប៉ាក៏ដោយ ក៏វានៅតែស្ថិតក្នុងខ្ញុំ៖ ខ្ញុំមិនអាចធ្វើអ្វីបាន ឪពុករបស់ខ្ញុំកំពុងឈរនៅតាមផ្លូវ ហើយខ្ញុំកំពុងចាកចេញនៅក្នុងឡានរបស់ម្តាយខ្ញុំ… ប្រហែលជានោះហើយជាមូលហេតុដែល ច្រើនឆ្នាំមកហើយដែលខ្ញុំបានរៀនសំឡេងផ្សះផ្សានេះក្នុងជីវិត? មិនដឹង។
ប៉ុន្តែអ្នកបានក្លាយជាតារាម៉ូដែល ហើយនេះជាវិស័យដែលមានការប្រកួតប្រជែងខ្លាំង…
R. R.៖ It’s true. But first, I found myself in some kind of artificial enclosure: at the age of 14, I received a contract in Japan. Mom took me there. My older brother Richard was supposed to take care of me — he started his career as a photographer there. But he was not up to me, I was left to myself. And I learned so much about life — completely different from ours! Spent hours at the zoo. Since then I have had this habit — I understand a person better (or it seems to me that I understand) when I find his «prototype» in the animal world. And for each role, I find a “key” in the form of an animal.
តួនាទីដែលខ្ញុំចូលចិត្តបំផុតរបស់អ្នកគឺក្នុងរឿងនាង Nick Cassavetes 'She's So Beautiful ។ Maureen ជាប្រភេទសត្វអ្វី?
R. R.៖ Meerkat. She only looks like a cat, with her smoothness and softness — back against your leg. But she is interested in a warm mink and warm sun. It’s not her fault, she just can’t live without warmth. But she keeps pulling her head to see what’s on the horizon. True, its horizon is quite close.
និង Claire Underwood?
R. R.៖ I thought for a long time… Bald eagle. Royal and statuary. He hovers over small creatures. They are his prey. But he has wings, powerful wings. He is above all — both small creatures and larger predators.
តើអ្នកទៅជាមួយលំហូរដោយរបៀបណា?
R. R.៖ Then there was a contract in Paris. A whole year in Europe for someone who grew up in glossy but provincial San Diego is a revolution. The world opened up before me. I have many questions for myself. I began to evaluate myself as a person, and not as a function — am I good in the pictures, am I disciplined enough for the “big podium” and is my chest really as small as one famous photographer shouted to the make-up artist at the shooting: “Yes, do something if they slipped me a flat-chested model!”
I began to analyze myself and was dissatisfied with myself. But I had no idea that this dissatisfaction leads to much more selfishness than self-satisfaction. Then «Santa Barbara» — life on schedule, in constant tension. And then — love, family, children. My first marriage to a Santa Barbara colleague was a comrade-in-arms marriage: a big party, and it ended quickly.
ប៉ុន្តែជាមួយ Sean អ្វីគ្រប់យ៉ាងគឺធ្ងន់ធ្ងរ។ ហើយខ្ញុំគិតថាវាជារៀងរហូត។ បាទ វាបានកើតឡើង៖ ទំនាក់ទំនងរយៈពេល 20 ឆ្នាំគឺជាពាក្យមានន័យដូចសម្រាប់ "តែងតែ" សម្រាប់ខ្ញុំ។ Dylan កើតនៅពេលខ្ញុំមានអាយុ 24 ឆ្នាំ។ ឥឡូវនេះខ្ញុំដឹងថាវាគឺជាការឆាប់ណាស់, ឆាប់ណាស់, មិនចាំបាច់ឆាប់។ ការអភិវឌ្ឍន៍របស់ខ្ញុំហាក់ដូចជាបានបញ្ឈប់។
ប៉ុន្តែតើទំនាក់ទំនងថ្មី ភាពជាម្តាយអាចបញ្ឈប់ការអភិវឌ្ឍន៍បានដោយរបៀបណា? វាត្រូវបានទទួលយកជាទូទៅថាទាំងនេះគឺជាកាតាលីករសម្រាប់ការធំឡើង!
R. R.៖ ប៉ុន្តែខ្ញុំមិនបានស្គាល់ខ្លួនឯង! ហើយសម្រាប់ទស្សវត្សរ៍កន្លះបន្ទាប់ ខ្ញុំបានចិញ្ចឹមកូន ខ្ញុំមិនមែនខ្លួនឯងទាំងស្រុងទេ ខ្ញុំជាម្តាយ។ ភាគច្រើននៃជីវិតពេញវ័យរបស់ខ្ញុំ! ថ្មីៗនេះ ខ្ញុំទើបតែចាប់ផ្តើមរកឃើញថាខ្ញុំជានរណា។
ប៉ុន្តែសម្រាប់ជាប្រយោជន៍ដល់កុមារ អ្នកបានផ្លាស់ប្តូរជីវិតយ៉ាងខ្លាំង។ តើការសម្រេចចិត្តមិនមែនជាសញ្ញានៃមនុស្សចាស់ទុំទេ?
R. R.៖ That’s when circumstances began to seriously fight me. Well imagine: I refuse roles during the school year, but agree to act in film during the holidays. And there: «Well, go to the zoo again, and in the evening we will go together to eat ice cream.» That is: dear children, once again please leave my life, and then you can return. Do you understand? The profession separated me from the children. I had to put up a barrier.
តើកុមារដែលធំឡើងក្រោមការត្រួតពិនិត្យជាប់រហូតឥឡូវពេញចិត្តនឹងម្ដាយឬទេ?
R. R.៖ I have made a personal discovery as a mother that the only way to get children to listen to you is to give them as much independence as possible. And I made this discovery just in time — just before the entry of Dylan and Hopper (they are a year and a half apart) into delicate adolescence. Dylan is a very independent person, at the age of 16 she began to make mature professional decisions and became a model not out of inertia, but meaningfully — to see the world not through the eyes of a daughter of rich parents, but through the eyes of an active participant.
អាពាហ៍ពិពាហ៍ដំបូងរបស់ខ្ញុំជាមួយសហសេវិក Santa Barbara គឺជាអាពាហ៍ពិពាហ៍សមមិត្តនៅក្នុងដៃ៖ ពិធីជប់លៀងដ៏រឹងមាំ ហើយវាបានបញ្ចប់យ៉ាងឆាប់រហ័ស។
ប៉ុន្តែ Hopper បានក្លាយជាបុរសប្រថុយប្រថានដ៏គួរឱ្យភ័យខ្លាច។ នៅអាយុ 14 ឆ្នាំគាត់បានព្យាយាមធ្វើល្បិចនៅលើក្តារបន្ទះយ៉ាងលំបាករហូតដល់គាត់ស្ទើរតែស្លាប់។ ការហូរឈាមក្នុងខួរក្បាល និងទាំងអស់។ Sean បានវាយតម្លៃខ្ពស់ពេញមួយជីវិតរបស់គាត់ ខណៈពេលដែលប្រតិបត្តិការកំពុងបន្ត។ ខ្ញុំទើបតែស្លាប់។ គ្មានអ្វីទេ ពួកយើងបានរួចជីវិត... ផលប៉ះពាល់នៃឯករាជ្យភាពរបស់កុមារ។ ប៉ុន្តែវាមានតម្លៃ។
What about divorce? Was it a sign of growing up — after 20 years of marriage?
R. R.៖ Not at all, I wouldn’t interpret it that way. On the contrary, I tried my best to maintain the status quo. We reconciled, united, then parted again. And so for three years. I was afraid to change my life, because … It was clear — in a new life, after Sean, a new me would have to appear.
ហើយនាងបានបង្ហាញខ្លួន?
R. R.៖ She appeared when I realized myself. One day I woke up and realized that there was nothing to worry about. I did something in my life, experienced something, and kept worrying whether I was good, what I was like as an actress, as a mother, as a wife. And it was stupid to worry — you just had to live. I realized that there was nothing to worry about, not because the children became adults, and my marriage ended — after all, marriage is a beautiful fortress, but how long can one live behind the fortifications! No, I realized that there is no need to worry, because the experience of what has already been experienced says: live, you can just live.
ហើយបន្ទាប់មកបុរសថ្មីបានបង្ហាញខ្លួន។ អ្នកមិនខ្មាស់នឹងអាយុខុសគ្នា 15 ឆ្នាំទេ?
R. R.៖ ជាការពិតណាស់ វាមិនរំខានខ្ញុំទេ។ តើមានបញ្ហាអ្វីពេលដែលអ្នករស់នៅឲ្យបានពេញលេញ អានច្រើនដូចដែលអ្នកមិនធ្លាប់បានអានពីមុនមក ហើយមានអារម្មណ៍ថាខ្លាំងហើយសើច! នរក Ben Foster គឺជាបុរសដំបូងគេដែលសួរខ្ញុំ!
អញ្ចឹង?
R. R.៖ I mean, no one has ever asked me out on a date before. I’ve been married all my life! And before that, no one had asked me out on a date. Moreover, the date was wonderful — it was poetry reading. In every way a new experience.
ហើយអ្នកនៅតែបែកគ្នា…
R. R.៖ ខ្ញុំធ្វើការសម្រាប់គម្រោងមួយដែលធ្វើការដើម្បីការពារស្ត្រីពីអំពើហិង្សា ហើយខ្ញុំចំណាយពេលច្រើននៅអាហ្វ្រិក។ នៅទីនោះ ខ្ញុំបានរៀនពីរបៀបមើលរបស់ជនជាតិអាហ្រ្វិក៖ រៀងរាល់ថ្ងៃបន្ទាប់គឺជារឿងថ្មី។ ហើយវាបានចាប់ផ្តើមរួចហើយ៖ ក្នុងនាមជាអ្នកដឹកនាំរឿង ខ្ញុំបានថតវគ្គជាច្រើននៅក្នុង House of Cards ហើយខ្ញុំមានគម្រោងក្លាយជាអ្នកដឹកនាំរឿងទាំងស្រុង។ មើលទៅ យើងមិនដឹងថានឹងមានអ្វីកើតឡើងក្នុងរយៈពេលប្រាំនាទីខាងមុខនេះទេ ហេតុអ្វីបានជារងទុក្ខចំពោះអ្វីដែលបានកើតឡើងរួចទៅហើយ? ថ្ងៃស្អែកនឹងជាថ្ងៃថ្មី។